Do you really trust that government of yours?
UPDATE:
Ok, well, that’s interesting. Thank you foxfier. I googled the crap out of this after hearing the local radio dude talk about it and missed that fox article. I went right for the Raliegh WRAL station’s account and obviously there is a hell of a lot more to this. Most articles were blog posts that ranted like I did. This is why we need 2 sources… So, I stand corrected. I still hate the patriot act. It is crap, but in this case, it’s not the patriot act causing Ashton’s issues. If he did what they say, then it’s fryin’ time.
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I don’t like the patriot act. Any legislation that is passed in an emergency when emotions are high is going to be a piece of crud. Plus, the fact they have to disguise what it is, a grab on freedoms, by calling it the patriot act should tell you all. Disagree and you not a patriot. Well, I despise it.
You see, it’s one thing to give unending power to the government when you trust the people in charge. But we watched while Bill Clinton used the IRS and other government branches to go after his political enemies or anyone who became a nusance. You can trust your guy with power, sure. But eventually, your guy won’t be the one wielding that power.
Today’s I hate the patriot act comes in the form of Ashton Lundeby of Oxford North Carolina. Supposedly, Ashton Lundeby made a bomb threat. The FBI stepped in and invoked the patriot act and Ashton Lundeby has disappeared. A dozen federal agents attacked the house that Ashton was living in and after tearing it apart found nothing to convict him with. Didn’t matter. The patriot act was invoked and off to another state he went. He’s “being held” in a juvey hall in Indiana. His mom has not been allowed any sense of reasonable contact with him. He has not been formally charged. He has not had a hearing. He is not being allowed a lawyer. Oh, meet 16 year old Ashton.
Yeah, a real scary one Ashton is. This country didn’t need the patriot act for over 200 years, it doesn’t need it now. A few minor adjustments to the laws at the time (the Gorelick wall for one) could have stopped 9/11. What we have now is the FBI was wrong and they don’t want to admit it. So, hold the kid until he’s 18 then send him to the new Gitmo that Obama is signing off on. I was wondering if the ACLU would step in, but since the FBI is now Obama’s and not Bush’s, I somehow doubt they will care about civil liberties. We need to kill the patriot act and send Ashton back home where he belongs. This is not what it was for. It should not be allowed to be misused again.
Foxfier says:
You’ve been lied to.
He has been charged, under a law from– 1939?– that makes calling in bomb threats illegal.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519570,00.html
The mom is full of…well, she thought her darling boy making bomb-threats for fun and profit was funny or something.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/teenage-bomb-threat-suspect-was-an-internet-prank-phone-cal...
An Australian guy who knew Tyrone from the “/b/” board on 4chan reported about the bomb threats for money. Idiot used a pay pal account, gave his email address and posted “samples” of his work to advertise.
Here’s a link to one of the schools:
http://www.usd232.org/education/components/whatsnew/default.php?sectiondetailid=10779&id=4447&am...
Naturally, the Wired story has the most information, but might inflict TL:DR syndrome….
A lot of folks have been flat out lying about this case so it’s a little hard to find good information.
Foxfier says:
Wired article here
Here’s a quote:
The case came to a head on March 4, when Tyrone made a series of rapid-fire bomb threats against five different schools around the United States. Bennett recorded the calls.
“This is a warning to every staff, student and anybody else who may be in the school tomorrow afternoon at 11:00 a.m.,” the caller is heard saying in a voicemail message for Mill Valley High School in Shawnee, Kansas.
“There are twelve bombs located throughout the entire campus at the school,” the caller continues (.mp3). “They are in random lockers throughout the school — I will not tell you which lockers they are located in. There are also two in the bathroom and there is one in the gym. You have exactly one hour after 11:00 a.m. to find and disarm the bombs. That is all I have to say. All will be cleansed.”
After leaving similar threats with four other schools, Tyrone gives listeners his e-mail address and asks for PayPal donations. Then he promises more calls in the morning. “I’m going to go to bed so I can fucking wake up at 6:00 in the morning and I’m going to cancel about eight or nine schools maybe,” he says. “You guys have fun missing school tomorrow.”
Foxfier says:
*bow*
Thanks for listening to me– it’s not like folks being lied to is a new thing, the article you linked SHOULD have done some basic research instead of presenting the mother’s ranting as the Word of God.
If they found out where the kid was, and that the cops went in on a Federal warrant, they should have been able to show that the Patriot Act had nothing to do with it and that the kid had been in court already, even if Juvie does call it something else…. They’ve got resources that we don’t. This kind of bull feces is why old media is dying.
Thus, you were lied to.
(See also: misidentification of waterboarding with various medieval tortures, “Pope was a Nazi” claims, Pius- killed-Jews-ignore-the-actual-evidence-from-those-he-saved, etc.)
Talmadge East says:
Well maybe they won’t used “enhanced interrogation techniques” on him. After all, this might finally be the “ticking time bomb” we’ve been waiting for.
Chris says:
Well, I try to get the facts better than this. I was lazy and that’s what happens. Thanks for keeping me straight! That’s why the new media is so much better. Instead of one editor, we have several. Keeps us honest.
Foxfier says:
If only we could get their funding….. ^.^