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Iraq on the verge of nukes in 2002? [UPDATES] | MY Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

Iraq on the verge of nukes in 2002? [UPDATES]

[BUMPED TO TOP, newer posts below--originally posted at 12:05am]

I haven’t really had time to digest this–or filter out the NY Times’ obvious attempt to minimize this important stuff and spin it into a story about the Bad Bush Administration™–but…am I seeing things?

The Web site, “Operation Iraqi Freedom Document Portal,” was a constantly expanding portrait of prewar Iraq. Its many thousands of documents included everything from a collection of religious and nationalistic poetry to instructions for the repair of parachutes to handwritten notes from Mr. Hussein’s intelligence service. It became a popular quarry for a legion of bloggers, translators and amateur historians.

Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990’s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.

European diplomats said this week that some of those nuclear documents on the Web site were identical to the ones presented to the United Nations Security Council in late 2002, as America got ready to invade Iraq. But unlike those on the Web site, the papers given to the Security Council had been extensively edited, to remove sensitive information on unconventional arms.

Note that the point of the article is that there was a “nuclear guide” on the US government’s website–the cache of documents retrieved from Iraq, waiting for translation. The site is shut down (temporarily?) now because of it, but…WTF? Iraq was a year away from nukes?

More on this later, er, tomorrow, after I’ve had some time to look at this some more. I see Michelle Malkin is questioning the timing of the NY Times being “concerned about dangerous disclosures.” Hot Air is updating like mad, and Ace sees the same thing I do:

Unbelievable. Supposedly Iraq has advanced nuclear research, which could be used to build a bomb, and this gets spun against Bush.

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UPDATE: Jim Geraghty

I’m sorry, did the New York Times just put on the front page that IRAQ HAD A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM AND WAS PLOTTING TO BUILD AN ATOMIC BOMB?

What? Wait a minute. The entire mantra of the war critics has been “no WMDs, no WMDs, no threat, no threat”, for the past three years solid. Now we’re being told that the Bush administration erred by making public information that could help any nation build an atomic bomb.

Let’s go back and clarify: IRAQ HAD NUCLEAR WEAPONS PLANS SO ADVANCED AND DETAILED THAT ANY COUNTRY COULD HAVE USED THEM.

OK, so I’m not “seeing things.” Yes, the New York Crimes is friggin’ insane. Iraq had a nuclear weapons program and was plotting to build an atomic bomb, but the Bush Administration is bad because those plans ended up online and could help Iran. Iran, who of course is only interested in nuclear technology for “peaceful purposes.” Allllll-righty then.

HEY! IRAQ HAD ADVANCED NUCLEAR WEAPONS PLANS. Get it? It’s that simple. “Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.”

I doubt this is going to mean anything to the permanently brain-damaged BDS set, though. Hell, they could find there was a nuke on an Iraqi plane bound for America but shot down by the Air Force, and they’d turn it into an indictment of Bush and the Evil Neocon Cabal™.

UPDATE 2, 0650am: Oh, looky here. Or here. Halp us, Jon Carry–we can’t reed! Watch ‘em spin.

UPDATE 3, 0700am: JVeritas at Free Republic has been translating these documents all this time, and has posted this about the NY Times article:

What is important in this whole issue is that the New York Times has ridiculed these documents all along and never payed attention to them including the very important documents that show Saddam regime never stopped its programs related to WMD including nuclear programs. These documents were translated and posted here on FR.

On the subject of nuclear program, I translated and posted a document last month dated January 2001 that shows with a shadow of doubt that Saddam was personally involved with his nuclear scientist to re-build the nuclear program. In this document it states that Saddam personally approved his Iraqi Atomic Energy Agency to re-use nuclear equipments that include something called “Degussa Furnaces” that were used in the previous and prohibited Iraq nuclear program. These furnaces can be used to melt uranium and other nuclear related activities. The Degussa Vacuum furnaces were supplied to Iraq in the 1980’s by a German firm (Degussa AG based in Frankfurt Germany) and these furnaces later on became the subject of investigations of the German firm in the early 1990’s where the company claimed that they did not know that Iraq would have used them in its nuclear program.

The New York Times had an article in 1998 titled “An Iraqi Defector Warns of Iraq’s Nuclear Weapons Research” where the Degussa furnaces were mentioned as part of “previous” Iraq nuclear program and the controversy surrounding the sale of these furnaces and the investigations later on(link: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~sanders/214/other/news/iraqi_defector.html ). The irony is that this is not only a New York Times article but also it was written by JUDITH MILLER and JAMES RISEN once of the worst accusers (liars) that the Bush administration lied about Iraq WMD. Where are you Scott Shane????

Link to the translated document on FR: 2001 Iraqi Document: Saddam Approved the Re-Use of Nuclear Equipment http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1725141/posts

Moreover, there are documents dated 1999-2001 that talk about Saddam regime projects to re-build some of the nuclear program facilities like RWTS (Radioactive Waste Treatment Station) and Radio-Chemistry laboratories which were part of Iraq previous clandestine nuclear program. Link to the translated document on FR: Iraqi Documents: Projects to Rebuild Saddam Nuclear Facilities http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718125/posts .

Also this one:

Iraqi Documents Show Plans for Prohibited Nuclear Projects http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1709390/posts



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15 Responses to “Iraq on the verge of nukes in 2002? [UPDATES]”

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    Stop The ACLU says:

    Saddam Closer To Bomb Than Anyone Thought

    The New Yorks times confirms that in 2002 Saddam Hussein’s “scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away:”
    Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990’s and in…



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    Mike says:

    They’re talking about Iraq being close at the time of the Persian Gulf War. It’s true, but sanctions and inspections pretty much ended the chances of such a program ever happening. Saddam was in no economic, military, or diplomatic position to pull such a thing off:

    https://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap4.html



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    Mike says:

    Er, put underscores around “wmd” in that link as it got italicized.



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    Elvis says:

    Anyone stoopid enough to believe this throws stink on Bush is a retard, and should have their voting privileges revoked, followed by castration or tying of tubes to protect future generations from gross idiocy.



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    Beth says:

    LOL Elvis…couldn’t have said it better myself! :mrgreen:



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    Shamalama says:

    WMDs? What WMDs? But, but, but, but, Iraq didn’t have any WMDs. Bush illegally invaded poor law-abiding Iraq for oil, right?

    The moonbats at DU are spinning this the way, I think, the Times wants it spun: the President was incompetent by allowing these terrible documents to be publicly available on the web. The NYT accusing the Bushies of playing fast and loose with classified documents, possibly jeopardizing national security. Completely forget any notion that Saddam was, in fact, trying to build a nuke.

    And it’s not like the Times has never released any classified/critical information to our enemies before, right? The NYT, of all entities, is worried about classified information getting out? Most respectable terrorists organizations rely on the NYT for daily anti-US intel.

    But as I understand it, the “plans” to make a nuke are not nearly as “important” as the manufacturing process. Supposed “plans” have been on the net for years in one way or another. What makes this so important, something we’ve known for years, is that Saddam was actively trying to build a nuke to either (1) use it, or (2) sell it.

    Is there any curiosity at the paper as to HOW or WHY Saddam would have such super-secret details on nuclear weapons? Hmmm?



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    raz0r says:

    So let’s see how long it takes the libtardosphere to spin this. 5 minutes?



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    Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator says:

    U.S. yanks Web site with reported nuclear secrets

    Read full story for latest details.



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    Pirate's Cove says:

    Ah, So Saddam Was Making a Nuclear Bomb. Thanks For Confirming, NY Times

    Did you know that Iraq actually had nuclear material, including "yellowcake?" 1.8 metric tons of it, actually. Plus 500 tons of non weapons grade uranium? No? That slipped through the cracks? My my my. 
    Via Stop The ACLU, comes…



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    The Right Nation says:

    Mid-Term (Open) Must-Read List /2

    Dick Morris, Jay Bryant, Michael Barone, Byron York, Rush Limbaugh, Neal Boortz, Ronald R. Griffin, Mark Mellman, Charlie Cook, Jonah Goldberg, Stuart Rothenberg, Mike Allen, Hugh Hewitt, Larry J. Sabato, David Wasserman, Peggy Noonan, Lawrence Kudlo…



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    Wake up America says:

    New York Times Validates Iraqi DID Have WMD’s .

    Once again New York Times manages to shoot itself, the Democratic party and it’s credibility in the head. In their pathetic attempt to once again influence the American public in the upcoming elections, they have managed to validate the evidence that…



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    dingo says:

    People READ THE STORY!!!! There is no validation. Those were our reports, not theirs. Similar to the “slam dunk” report by our intelligence agancy… Hello!!! For all we know, that WAS our information.

    And golly gee… nothing said about how the GOP posted how to make a nuclear bamb on the internet for all to see. Yeah, having them in charge really makes me feel safer.

    You guys really are desperate, aren’t you.



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    Beth says:

    Oh, fer Chrissakes, Dingo. The GOP did it? Please. It’s not like this document is the first bit of information of its kind.
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+build+a+nuclear+bomb

    Did YOU read the translated documents? They’re linked in the post. Try this one. Yes, it’s at Free Republic, so ignore the comments–they’re not important. There’s a guy who posts there (a native speaker of Arabic) who has been translating them (jveritas).

    Sorry, the only people who appear desperate are the spin doctors at the NY Times and the Democrats who think this makes Bush/the GOP (huh?) look bad. Sorry, the spin isn’t working.



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    Blue Star Chronicles says:

    New York Times: Saddam was going Nuclear

    The New York Times, along with John Kerry, the talking heads Im hearing on television right now, and all the rest of the effete elite hold middle Americans in complete contempt.



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    Saddam Closer To Bomb Than Anyone Thought « SSBG says:

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