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Quit yer bitching already! | MY Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

Quit yer bitching already!

First, have a look at the pretty picture HERE. (Nice work, by the way. :wink: )

Get it?

Look who’s there– “libertarian” Republicans, Christian conservatives…what? In the same picture?

Yes. Do call it a Big Tent. Maybe that’s not how you see it, but think about it, and bear with me for a little lecture (ok, a rant). Better grab yourself a beer.

I’ve been thinking about this for a couple of months, and thinking of writing this for a few days. I don’t know how to start this other than just getting right to it–Republicans (yes, you who isn’t a registered Republican but votes that way, you too), quit your bitching!

Excuse me, but didn’t we just WIN a solid majority in the November elections? What are you, a bunch of spoiled children? Oh, so sorry, we got a Republican majority and it’s just AWFUL that they can’t do everything you and you alone want! Take your marbles and go home now to political powerlessness, that’ll teach those meanie politicians to not listen to YOU!

Guess what, I say good riddance. Leave the party to people who know how to choose our battles wisely and WIN. I don’t take it personally that I can’t have every single pet issue of mine go my way. Yes, I KNOW judicial appointments are important, too…duh. That’s exactly my point. Take your marbles and go home, turn over the reins to the Democrats and let THEM make the nominations, since apparently they’re more politically mature than we are. That’ll teach those meanies like Frist and Santorum and Specter and Hagel… Hey, wait! They’re not all “Bible-bangers”! They’re not all RINOs!

Obviously, I’m just trying to make a point with that. Don’t you see what’s going on? You’ve got damning rhetoric coming from one side (anti-Christian, anyone?) and shrieking about theocrats, of all idiotic things, from the other–and that’s from just within our own party! Uh, what the hell are you people thinking?

Libertarian/independent Republicans: there is NO effing theocracy coming. Why do religious conservatives make you so paranoid? NO ONE in the Republican Party is trying to force anything on you; be realistic, fer Chrissakes (no pun intended). I have virtually identical political views as a lot of these “theocrats,” and obviously, I can’t be accused of being one. Why does it bother you that their political views are guided by their faith rather than (as in my case) other reasons? Why are you threatened by it?

“Christian Right”: When are you going to learn how to speak to others to build a coalition instead of alienating EVERYONE? You’re starting to really piss me off, you know? I want the same things you do, but your rhetoric and nonsensical battles over crap like “no Kid Rock at the inaugural party” (and that’s just where my aggravation started to boil).

Both sides: You blew it during the Terri Schiavo crisis. All the extreme rhetoric within our own party disgusted me, and disgusted everyone else. You know what you said, and there’s no need to re-hash it because I’m still disgusted by it. Guess who I spent the majority of my time communicating with when I was campaigning, if you will, on behalf of the Schindlers? Liberals for Terri, because they acted reasonably about it–they didn’t call the other side “murderers” or “atheists” and they damn sure didn’t condone the Randall Terry element by remaining silent when the wackos started making vicious threats. THEY didn’t call me ignorant, theocrat, fundie, extremist, any of that shi’ite that some of you others said, either. They just GOT it. Obviously, there were plenty of people on both sides of the issue who were perfectly reasonable, but you sure didn’t hear them much because their voices were drowned out by the screaming.

What the hell ever happened to agreeing to disagree? Don’t you people understand that by condemning your opponent you completely shut off all possibility of making your case? Why is it now–particularly since the Schiavo debacle–no one has a clue how to move an issue without getting their delicate feelings hurt or by verbally assaulting their opponents? Guess what else happened during the Schiavo thing–I actually picked up a few liberal readers here who will actually LISTEN to my point of view, and vice versa. That doesn’t mean anyone will change their mind; it does mean that we can see that all liberals (real liberals, not left-wing fascists) aren’t crazy or evil, and they can see we aren’t all crazy or evil either. Is that NOT a good thing?

This isn’t just about Republicans vs. Democrats, not by a long shot. For example, Matt Margolis and I disagreed on the Schiavo issue, but we could agree to disagree and understand there was no evil behind one another’s opinion. We and others doing the same understand the big picture–we are a coalition, a big tent. You have to choose your battles wisely in the interest of keeping the coalition together, so we can succeed with the big picture.

Yes, I know I’m bitching and being harsh while saying quit bitching and being harsh. Tough. That seems to be the only way some of you know how to communicate lately, and I’m sick and farkin’ tired of it. I’m sick of these dumbass “blog wars” on our own side, sick of people threatening to abandon the party because they don’t get their way or because Senator So-and-so isn’t being as harsh or extreme as some want, sick of people getting their feathers ruffled about everything and taking disagreement on issues so personally. I’m sick of bloggers making disagreements personal attacks with grand statements of “de-linking,” for example, and all of the other silliness. I WANT my echo chamber. Yeah, I said it–but what I mean by that is I want Republicans/Republican voters to work together.

Don’t mistake my determination to keep a coalition as being a moderate, or weak in my convictions, either, because that couldn’t be further from the truth. I just think in-fighting is a big fat waste of time and energy that can be used more wisely in furthering our overall agenda. Face it, we’re NOT going to get our way all the time, not unless all Americans agree on all the same issues. We have a majority, not a monopoly, and so we can and should succeed on a majority of the issues–but there’s no way we’re going to win ALL of them.

So quit your bitching and quit sabotaging that which we have earned, with your pouting and threats of quitting. It’s one thing if you have decided the Democrats are right on the issues–then by all means, you should ditch the party, although I wish you wouldn’t. But unless you’ve made that ideological shift, you’re going to be a lot more disillusioned if you quit and find that none of your political views are represented. (And don’t even try to tell me that the Libertarian or Constitution parties can do that–you might find a social network there, but you might as well forget your political goals with them.) Make up your mind, do you want to be on the side that wants to advance the agenda, or not? They sure aren’t able to do it right now in Congress with everyone on our side beating the hell out of one another.

Says Lance at Red State Rant:

I do not need nor do I want Republicans pandering to me on issues they think I care about. I want them pushing for meaningful legislation on Social Security and Senate Procedures they know are right. I want them to take action with the mandate they have been given and push their agenda. Stop letting the liberals frame the arguments.

Isn’t that what we all want?

OK, rant over.

Now, go here. :mrgreen:



UPDATE: A few points of clarification (please note the time I published this, so I probably need to do this)–

    * Fighting for what you believe in is one thing. I’m all FOR that, and I fight these battles as well. Threatening to bolt and attacking the libertarians or conservatives in the party is quite another.
    * For anyone who thinks I’m saying to get in lock-step with what the party leadership does, regardless of what that is, you’re wrong. Again, I’m saying the attacks from conservatives on the libertarians (and vice versa, of course), are counter-productive.
    * Just in case anyone thinks that I tracked back to the Commissar because I’m attacking his Ark post or him, it’s precisely the opposite. (He knows this.) In fact, I was going to link to this and T/B it as well (because of the silly Frist rhetoric), but I just couldn’t get past the title or the “baby Jesus” thing. Just sayin’.

Any other misconceptions will be addressed in the comments.

UPDATE 2: Linked at the Beltway Traffic Jam.



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    Ogre says:

    Sorry, but I’m going to keep bitching. If I don’t, Republicans will forget what they’re supposed to do and get sucked into the vast black hole that is Washington and will only listen to the press. Squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that rot.

    In addition, there are some issues where I will not back down, and where anyone who opposes me IS evil. For example: guns. If you want mine, you ARE evil, I don’t care what sort of political tag you put on your name. I’ll not agree to disagree or anything else. Sorry, there are some things I will NOT compromise on.

    Having said that, currently the Republicans are the better hope for the country and I’ll continue to work hard and help those I agree with. No, I’m not going to support a liberal Republican simply because they put an R behind their name. Neither will I support a liberal D, but if I elect an R who votes with the Ds, why bother?

    (I think nationally this is not a problem, but at the state level in NC there are many people with Rs after their name that simply vote with the Ds nearly all the time — and that’s wrong.)



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    The Commissar says:

    Not taken as a ‘hit,’ Beth. I appreciate your making that explicit in a comment.

    This deserves a longer, thoughtful reply. But, in a way, I AM picking MY battles.



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    tommy says:

    The arguments are going to be there because there are differences on issues that are important to different groups. So I don’t mind that, I actually think it is a good thing. The Democrats have shrunk their party by saying good riddance to people that didn’t fit the mold of what they wanted. The only way to keep a majority(need I add the only way to get anything done is to be the majority party) is to have these very heated arguments and when they are over, still have everyone think they are a Republican.

    If a label fits me it’s Libertarian Republican, and I do understand the complaints from that side. A lot of this group is in the Republican Party simply because the Democrats decided to put up a “Not Wanted” sign. In a two party system, the majority party is going to contain a lot of people that you very much do not agree with, if you don’t find a way to manage that, you won’t be the majority party all that long.



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    Raven says:

    I didn’t think this was too harsh Beth. In fact I agree with everything you said. You go girl.:lol:



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    Guide to Midwestern Culture says:

    Big Tent Revival?

    Beth takes on the “Fake Big Tent” meme that some Libertarians have been ranting about, more loudly since the Schiavo case played out.



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    Vista On Current Events says:

    Dean’s Odious View of Left Right Assaults

    Dean Esmay is on another rant over at Dean’s World… and as usual he’s pretty much hit the truth.

    Udate: Beth also has a pretty go…



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    Sigmund, Carl and Alfred says:

    I just broke the applause meter.

    Excellent, excellent post! Beth, this is one of your best posts, period.

    You hit the nail on the head. Until political rational discourse is reestablished, we will continue our slide into wasted opportunities.

    It is my firm belief that if Washington, Jefferson or Adams ran today- or for that matter, any of the framers or the writers of the Declaration of Independence were to run for office today, they could not get elected- none of them.

    Ask yourself what that says about our society today.



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    MikeF says:

    For me, the biggest problem with the Republican Party is that the things they seem to get done are precisely the kinds of things that I don’t want, like more spending, less border security, etc. That’s why I tend to vote 3rd party. I figure that it’s less of a waste of my vote to vote for a party that I agree with, but that’ll probably not win, than to vote for a party that in practice rarely ever gives me anything I support, but loves to foist tons of stuff that no one right-of-center really wants.

    The thing I still don’t get is why Bush’s tax cuts are considered a victory. The Republicans’ spending since Bush took over has done so much damage to our national debt and currency that it boggles the mind how anyone couldn’t be outraged.



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    Beth says:

    Mike, you’re a rare exception to the usual attack-mode difference of opinion, and I really do appreciate it. And although I (selfishly) wish you WOULD vote GOP, I can see why you wouldn’t, if you rarely agree with them on the issues.
    I know YOU haven’t just cherry-picked a few issues, that you really do fit the Libertarian Party politics better than those who issue idle threats based on a few gripes (not that they’re not legitimate gripes).



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    wavemaker says:

    Hello Beth — first time here (came from OTB), glad to read your rant, couldn’t agree more. A successful majority is a “governing majority.”



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    MikeF says:

    I could “hold my nose” and vote Republican if they wouldn’t:

    1) support the Law of the Sea Treaty
    2) support no southern border defense
    3) support a $521B budget deficit (my generation will pay for Bush’s greed)
    4) support section 203 of the USA PATRIOT Act (the Son of COINTEL PRO section)
    5) support further expansion of the DoEducation and NEA while abandoning gun rights.

    I am often puzzled at the precisely how so many Republicans can honestly say that Bush has either attacked the UN or defended US interests. The LoST would greatly hamper our ability to interdict terrorist-carrying vessels in international waters, yet Bush has openly lobbied for it in the Senate. His spending has gone way beyond Clinton’s levels, and quite frankly if we really are “at war” it makes no sense why we are spending more on welfare now than our military and border defense combined.

    Unfortunately, I think that for many Republicans, what got them pissed off at Clinton was his sexual escapades. As long as Bush keeps it in his pants or between him and Laura, I don’t think the complaints will get that bad for Bush.

    What this country really needs IMO is two reforms for the Congress: get rid of the early 20th century law that limits the House to 435 members, and eliminate the 19th century law that outlaws proportional representation. The latter would actually make gerrymandering impossible and let anyone who is qualified run for office and get support from all across the state.



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    An American Housewife says:

    Yes, yes, and yes. Can I get an Amen? You go Beth! Testify girlfriend!



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    basil's blog says:

    Sunday Brunch 4/24/05: southern fried phish

    Try one of these specials with your Sunday brunch:

    * Mustang 23 talks about testing his privates.
    * Ogre is looking for help to save the king.
    * Beth says to quit whining (well she didn’t say it that way, but it is Sunday and all).
    * Mean Ol’ M…



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    MY Vast Right Wing Conspiracy » Re: Moral Exhaustion says:

    [...] g their best to sow discord. To cause confusion. To hamper the effort. Et-goddamn-cetera. Moral exhaustion ha [...]



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    Aakash says:

    Wow - Thank you, Ogre, for posting your comment (#1 in this thread)… Now, I don’t have to write one of my own!

    The policy of appeasement advocated in this entry is what had led to the problems and corruption within my state’s Republican Party… And is a key factor why the GOP has been doing so poorly here.

    What good is ‘winning’ if you lose in the process?

    We will NEVER quit!!



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